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The Daily

A Tragic Fire and Broken Promises in South Africa

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 2023

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

This episode contains descriptions of severe injuries. Last week, a devastating fire swept through a derelict building in Johannesburg that housed desperate families who had no place else to go. The authorities had been repeatedly warned that it was a potential firetrap. Nothing was done, and at least 76 people died. Lynsey Chutel, who covers southern Africa for The Times, explains how Johannesburg, once a symbol of the hope of post-apartheid South Africa, became an emblem of just how bad the country’s breakdown has become. Guest: Lynsey Chutel, a southern Africa correspondent for The New York Times.

Transcript

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Sabrina Taverny-Sea, and this is The Daily.

0:14.0

A devastating fire in Johannesburg last week is raising troubling questions about chaos and dysfunction in Africa's richest city.

0:24.0

Today, my colleague, Lindsay Schutel, on how the city that was once a symbol of the hope of post-aportied South Africa is now an emblem of just how bad the breakdown has become.

0:48.0

It's Friday, September 8th.

0:54.0

So, Lindsay, tell me about the fire you've been reporting on in Johannesburg, which, as it turns out, is the deadliest residential fire in South African history.

1:04.0

So last Thursday, at about one o'clock in the morning, smoke began to rise from the downtown building, and by the time I woke up.

1:14.0

Massive blows in the Johannesburg CBD this morning, it is a very quickly developing story that...

1:20.0

It was all over the news. The firefighters rushed to the five-story building. Now, they are still searching through the building for more victims.

1:27.0

And the death toll kept rising hour by hour. When I first turned on the TV, it was about 20 people. Then it was 40 people. Then it was 60 people.

1:35.0

And then by the end of the day, it was 77 people, and I rushed on to the side, and the bodies were laid out in the street.

1:41.0

We can literally see that the bodies have been covered with metal sheeting, with blankets.

1:46.0

People who had run out of the building were sitting there in shock on the sidewalk, and it was just a scene of such devastation.

1:53.0

This is the building itself. You can see that it's burned from the back. It's burned from the front.

1:59.0

And up here, you can see some of the residents who were desperately trying to get out, had left a mattress there, and were jumping from the top floors.

2:09.0

Even though the fire had been brutal under control, by the morning by the time the sun came up, there was still smoke coming from the building.

2:17.0

And there were just crowds and crowds of people. And what we realised is that these were people who lived inside this building.

2:24.0

So up to about 600 people, possibly even more, just standing there, the entire lives, just in ruin and in ambience quite frankly.

2:39.0

And as someone who's from Johannesburg, how did you understand what had happened? What did it look like to you?

2:49.0

It felt horribly inevitable. So we have had a series of disasters in Johannesburg, and we've kind of just quickly moved on from them.

3:01.0

For example, a few weeks ago, a street quite literally exploded in downtown Johannesburg, cars flew up into the air, and thank goodness there were very few fatalities.

3:12.0

And you would think that seeing a giant crack on a main road would shock people, but it didn't.

3:20.0

By day two, people had to turn to their homes, they carried on, they cordoned off the road, and that tells you something about what Johannesburg is as a city.

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