This is a bonus episode and it's audio only and we've never had a conversation like this before.

It's been a couple of years where I've been back and forth with my robunim in terms of talking and discussing someone who is going through a horrible experience with, you know, a woman who wants to get divorced and her husband wants to get divorced, but she's not receiving her get.

And it's something that's obviously very specific towards the Orthodox community or Jewish community at large.

And it's it's really heartbreaking.

And obviously there's always nuance that we don't have.

And I thought it could be really helpful to have a discussion with someone who's gone through the Aguna process,

the process of wanting to get divorced, even legally getting divorced but holologically being bound

to a person who is really not having the best interest of a woman and and her children so this is a

very different episode and definitely listen to the entire thing i mean always listen always listen to the entire episodes, but there's a lot of heartbreak here, but there's also there's a light and there's inspiration here. And obviously, you know, we don't say who this person is. I don't even address them by name. And we want to, you know,

respect their privacy as they deserve. This episode is, is powered by sister to sister.

And it's, there are only advertiser for this episode. And they do incredible work. You can hear

more about them without further ado. Here we go. Thank you so much for doing this.

We've tried to interview someone who was in Aguna before, and it is so complicated.

And of course, we want to do it the right way.

So thank you so much for doing this.

That's first of all.

But let's get into it.

What was your life like before all of the chaos?

So I grew up a pretty regular base dachal of yeshivish type family.

And I'm going to say a pretty typical childhood and one of a benches siblings,

went to school, did well in school.

I started out teakened.

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