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It's Been a Minute

A rare battle at the Supreme Court; plus, Asian Americans and affirmative action

It's Been a Minute

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🗓️ 7 July 2023

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Years before their appointments to the highest court in the land, Supreme Court Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Clarence Thomas both walked the hallowed halls of Yale Law School as beneficiaries of affirmative action policies. After handing down the ruling on affirmative action, both justices stood to deliver their different opinions about affirmative action: Sotomayor in support, Thomas against.

To discuss this moment and how two people can have the same experience and land at drastically different conclusions, host Brittany Luse is joined by Ron Elving, Senior Editor and correspondent on NPR's Washington desk, and Leah Wright Rigeur, professor of history at Johns Hopkins University.

Then, Brittany invites Janelle Wong, University of Maryland professor and political scientist, to unpack the various public faces of the efforts to end affirmative action - and how the myth of the model minority shifted the conversation.

You can follow us on Twitter @NPRItsBeenAMin and email us at [email protected].

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey y'all, you're listening to its been a minute from NPR.

0:06.6

I'm Brittany Loose.

0:07.9

Today, I want to dig into a face-off that I have not been able to stop thinking about.

0:15.0

Last week, a spectacle unfolded in front of reporters inside the Supreme Court of the

0:19.4

United States.

0:21.4

After handing down a decision that overturned what we call affirmative action, two justices

0:26.9

got up to speak their piece.

0:29.4

It was a battle of words between Justice Clarence Thomas, who opposed affirmative action,

0:34.4

and Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who was in favor.

0:38.0

And just to put a finer point on how unusual this was, Clarence Thomas has not once been

0:44.0

30 years spoken from the bench when issuing a concurring decision.

0:49.0

Both justices were deeply invested in this decision because they were both beneficiaries

0:54.3

of affirmative action.

0:56.7

Justice Thomas and Sotomayor were each admitted to Yale Law School under the same affirmative

1:02.0

action policy and attended only a few years apart in the 1970s.

1:07.5

So how is it that two people can have the same experience and land at drastically different

1:12.4

conclusions?

1:13.7

And what does their divide say about how Americans become polarized?

1:18.3

I called up Ron Elving, senior editor and correspondent on NPR's Washington Desk, and

1:24.0

Leah Wright-Rigger, professor of history at Johns Hopkins, to discuss what the loss

1:29.0

of affirmative action means and how political paths diverge.

1:34.4

Stay with us.

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