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It's the Brian Larry Show on WNYC. Good morning again, everyone.

You know another good thing about Michael Hill moderating those gubernatorial debates?

You New Jersey listeners will get to see what he looks like if you tune in.

So coming up in the next couple of weeks, Michael Hill co-moderating those gubernatorial debates, can't wait.

Well, now we continue our series about making a good living without a college degree.

To recap, and we've just got two of these to go today and tomorrow,

we've talked about alternative pathways across sectors into the workforce for people who don't have or can't get or don't want four-year degrees.

We've also talked about how some employers and policymakers are pushing for skills-based hiring,

recognizing what someone can do, not just where, and for how long they went to school.

We talked about this yesterday at the level of policy because there are people in various

states trying to get policies enacted where they can't have a four-year college degree

requirement automatically if it doesn't relate to the job.

Today, we turn our attention specifically to changes inside the K-12 public school system,

reorienting in some ways to do better for students like that,

and the supports available to youth and young adults outside of the school system,

especially those who may be out of school and out of work.

My guest today, we're very happy to have Jane Martinez Dowling,

who is the chief of student pathways at the New York City Department of Education, and Marjorie

Parker, president and CEO of Jobs First NYC, an organization driving economic and employment opportunities

for young people by connecting a

network of over 200 partner agencies. So Jane and Marjorie, welcome to WNYC.

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