Welcome to the President's Inbox, a CFR podcast about the foreign policy challenges facing the United States.

I'm Jim Lindsay, Director of Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

This week's topic is the case for multipolar pluralism.

With me to discuss Polar pluralism.

With me to discuss how the United States should adapt its foreign policy to a changing international environment is Stephen Hines.

He is the president and CEO of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

He has led RBF, a philanthropic foundation that advances

social change for a more just, sustainable, and peaceful world since 2001. Stephen is the author

of the recently released report, A Logic for the Future, International relations in the age of turbulence.

This episode of the President's inbox is the fourth in my series on U.S. Grand Strategy.

In the interest of full disclosure, I want to note that the Rockefeller Brothers Fund has supported work done by CFR's Center for Preventive Action. With that out of the way,

Stephen, thank you for joining me. Thanks for having me with you.

Stephen, I wanted to chat with you because you have called for a fundamental rethink of how

the United States approaches the world. You've argued that the United States needs to recognize

how much power has been dispersed around the world and how it needs to work on becoming an

indispensable partner in global affairs and seeking to create a multipolar pluralism. But before we

get to that prescription, I'd like to start with your

diagnosis of the world we currently live in. You say we live in an age of turbulence. What features of

that age stand out to you? Well, I think we are seeing it around us every day.

We are facing three potentially existential threats in the remaining decades of this century.

First, and most obvious, the climate crisis.

Second, the prospect of a new nuclear arms race between the United States, Russia, and China, and the proliferation

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