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The Daily

A New Front Line for Abortion Rights

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, abortions in the United States actually went up, in part because of a novel legal strategy that pitted blue states against red states. Pam Belluck, who covers health and science for The Times, discusses that strategy and explains how proceedings against a New York doctor could take it apart.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily.

0:13.4

After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, abortions in the United States actually went up.

0:20.3

In part, that's because of a novel legal strategy

0:22.8

that ended up pitting blue states against red states.

0:26.5

Today, my colleague Pam Bellick explains the strategy

0:30.0

and the two cases that could take it apart.

0:36.7

Music It's Tuesday, May 27.

0:47.4

So, Pam, we haven't talked about abortion on the show for a while.

0:55.7

And in the years since Roe v. Wade fell, the country has kind of splintered into states where abortion is banned and states where abortion is not banned.

1:04.3

And that's just sort of been the state of play, that everybody has their own state laws that they have to abide by.

1:10.0

But in reality, as you have been paying

1:13.1

attention to and covering, there's actually been this showdown brewing that now looks poised

1:19.3

to upend that whole order that we've maybe grown a bit accustomed to in the last few years.

1:25.1

Yeah, a lot has been happening during this time beyond the different

1:29.5

ballot measures that we've been hearing and different state laws and things like that.

1:34.0

One of the major developments has been these new legal protections called Shield Laws.

1:41.0

And they have become both one of the biggest legal developments in the abortion access

1:46.7

space and also a major reason why women in states with abortion bans are still able to get

1:53.6

access to abortion. Okay, so let's talk about shield laws. First of all, what are they?

1:59.7

So almost immediately after Roe was overturned,

2:04.0

you have conservative states, red states, putting into place abortion bans that were and are

2:10.8

very strict. So they make abortion illegal in almost all cases. There are a few exceptions.

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