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Last week, we shared part one of an investigation into the secret recipe for Thomas's English muffins.

Today on the show, we joined forces with a legendary baker

to try and reverse engineer the recipe

and end the trade secret.

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Enjoy the episode.

A while ago, my colleague, Ben Didafafri and I

gathered to eat English muffins at the Pushkin office.

Ben had the idea to do a story about the famous secret recipe for Thomas's English muffins.

It sounded like a fun romp. Go for it, I said. Have a good time. Enjoy yourself.

And then, a couple months down the road, Ben recorded the following voice memo.

It's 5.16 a.m.

I just had a dream where I was in an Airbnb with someone who was affiliated with Bimbo Bakeries,

who knew I was trying to reverse engineer the muffin recipe.

He's this bald guy with a mustache.

I want to say he was wearing like a cardigan.

We were playing pool in this Airbnb.

And he said, how much flour and how much water do you think we start with?

Because if you tell me that, it'll tell me if you're even close to knowing how we do this.

It was clear that Ben had gone very deep into the nooks and crannies of this story.

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