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And now for a moment of clarity.

It's all weaponization, but just by another name, but still by the same actor, which is the government,

the president of the United States. Yeah, I'd agree with that. And I think, Sky, that that's a big part of where this narrative lands at the moment, at least for me.

We were going back and forth and preparing for the conversation tonight. And it just strikes me that at the end of all of the legal wrangling, with all due respect, counsel, and all of the noise that we're hearing,

this is a money game.

I mean, the $230 million, all of the other pieces that we see at the end of the day,

there's serious consequences for obviously those in the crosshairs of Trump's vindictive behavior.

But at the end of the game, this is a money grab by this president.

And I just wonder, how do you see that piece fitting into the overarching legal analysis and like,

because you're, you and your organization are very much on the front line,

legally going after the bad stuff this Trump administration is doing.

How do you see that piece fitting into the conversation?

Well, I think the real question here is what are, what is the president and what are congressional

Republicans hiding? Why do you want

Jack Smith out in front, right? Why wouldn't you? Catch Michael Steele on the weeknight,

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