Welcome to the show, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'm here with a friend who's been a friend for almost a year now, who I'm excited to introduce you to, but before we dive into that, if you guys enjoy this show and this has been blessing you, please leave us a rating and review. It really helps us reach more people at this politically propitious moment when people are politically and morally pissed off and they're looking for community, they're looking for the right ideas, they're looking how to equip themselves to engage in the marketplace and the public square, which we're going to talk a lot about right now. And to advance there oftentimes,

we're going to deeply religiously help beliefs as woke America and woke pastors are telling them to keep their faith out of politics. We're going to pack all those kind of ideas. That's what we do in this show. If that is helpful for you, please leave us a rating and review. It really helps us reach more people as long as I can fly under the radar and exist on these technocrat platforms. My friend today is Michael Seifer. He is the host of the conservative podcast, rethinking politics and culture. A podcast I listen to to refine my beliefs and articulation on politics and culture. I encourage you to go subscribe. It's a really great podcast.

He's also the CEO and founder of Public Square, a company that seeks to equip conservative and Christian Americans to participate in the public square by putting their money towards companies and ventures that don't hate them and want to fund the destruction of their children in the posterity of the country. And there's a lot more that they're going to do as well, which I want to unpack with you. But this is important because this is an easy way for you to fight back.

This matter has received upwards of $100 million from Woke America in the last year to an organization that hates black babies and wants to sanction their slaughter and launches organizations with Cecil Richards, the former founder of Planned Parenthood. What would happen if pro-life in Christian Americans were as generous with our funds and those in positions of big business to support life? We're going to unpack it all. I think it will really bless you. I think it will fire you up and get you equipped and onto the battlefield in a tangible way for you and your families to fight back again.

That's the culture of death. Stay tuned. I'm Seth Gruber and this is Unaborted.

Welcome to the show guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. My guest today is Michael Seifert, who I hopefully just introred you to. Well, Michael, thanks for coming on the show. Oh my goodness, man. Thank you.

Yeah, so we connected actually first because I met your wife at a church I was speaking at in South Orange County and she had a table set up for the local pregnancy resource center.

And she told me she was like, oh, you love my husband. We should get together. We should hang out sometime. We eventually did at an event. Then we grabbed coffee in St. Clemente before I moved my family appeared a thousand oaks. And so we got connected because your family so passionate about life, which is all we talk about on the show.

But you dive into a lot more, which is so valuable because many pro-life Christians, you know, this is a single issue for them, but they don't know how to articulate it.

But I found a lot of my Christian brothers and sisters are pretty ignorant when it comes to other political issues that are very important to contend with at the same time you contend for life because as much as true as it is to say that we're single issue voters.

If that's all we focus on, we're actually kind of abandoning other battlefields that you kind of actually have to contend on not just to save the pre-born, but also to guarantee your freedom to protect the pre-born.

You have to fight for the freedom to fight for the unborn. And these other political issues matter for those reasons as well.

Like Canada, you can't even sidewalk council outside of an abortion clinic without being arrested. California yesterday, well from when we were recording this, two bills, one banning photography and filming of pro-lifers outside of abortion clinics, and the other to prevent pro-lifers from handing literature on a public sidewalk to women as they walk into an abortion clinic.

If you don't fight for the freedom to fight for the unborn, you're screwed as well. So much of what you're doing is you are fighting those other arenas for life and liberty.

Most recently, you've started stepping out and really giving a huge game plan for a way for conservatives and Christians to fight back against the culture of death against woke America who hates them and their guts, but is happy to take their money. Why are we funding these people who hate the unborn and hurt us?

So tell us what you're up to and tell us about your podcast as well.

Yeah, cool Seth. It's an honor to be here. Thanks so much for having me. And it's great to engage with your listeners. It's a real privilege.

I have, I've really enjoyed our relationship growing over the past year and we, part of the reason that I'm so passionate about the pro-life movement in the context of the greater political movement even is because so many of the root causes for our cultural apathy or complacency related to the abortion issue for fighting for the lives of the unborn is actually the same root that leads us to be deceived in the immigration arena.

It leads us to be deceived in tax policy even. And so, for example, we've talked a lot about false compassion and so many of the people that advocate for a pro-choice position are doing so on the altar of a false compassion, the same deal with immigration debate.

Many of the views on immigration policy from sort of the progressive secular since society or even the progressive Christians is rooted in a false compassion that actually ends up harming the immigrant, harming the taxpayer and the entire system more than it helps anything.

And so, I'm really passionate about politics for the same reason that you're passionate about the pro-life issue especially is because there's a deeper root to these things. And so, my, my entire adult, young adult and then even kind of high school life, I've been really passionate about trying to understand the root causes of issues.

Wonderful.

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