This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Brian Koberger.

It is indeed, and we're going to dig into some of the newly released evidence that was unearthed by the reporting of Dateline NBC.

Joining us as Chavon Scott, psychotherapist and author, to help us separate the

calculated from the compulsive and the creepy from the clinically relevant.

Shavon, based on what Dateline has revealed, and we have some clips. We'll watch her in just a few

moments. Coburger searches about how to do, go about life here. His fascination with

serial killers like Bundy, his repeated trips near the victim's house, how much of this looks

very much like premeditation versus some sort of impulsive obsession.

And what can those behaviors tell us about his underlying psychology?

There's a lot there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, one of the things that I was waiting to hear was, what kind of porn is this guy

into?

Because there is, it carries tremendous significance when you're dealing with people, you know, who have sex,

accusations of sex offenses. You want to get into their internet history. And so what I heard

is that he was looking for porn related to women who were drugged, sleeping, unconscious,

and that, you know, that's kind of a red flag.

Yeah. It's obviously a genre out there for some rather disturbed individuals, but it's out there.

And the fact that he's looking at it and he has pictures of women on his phone.

The defense is going to argue, look, he was a 20-some-year-old guy.

Yeah, he's into some kind of weird porn, but it doesn't make him a killer.

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