Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York magazine and the box media podcast network. I'm

Cara Swisher. Scott Galloway is the Howard Stern of podcasting according to The New

York Times in that he's currently off in private parts unknown. So today I'm joined

for Scott Free August by actor producer and podcaster Sean Hayes. Welcome Sean. Thank

you for having me Cara. This is my this is my serious voice because what's going to

you're talking about serious topics today. We are. We are. But I want you to be funny

because you are a funny guy. Okay. How much you got it? Yeah. Okay. So go back to the

other voice. Yeah. So I want to talk a little bit about you. People don't realize all

the stuff you do. Obviously you're well known for being just Jack on Will and Grace. But

you do a lot of things. You produce shows. You produce everything. Yeah. We yeah. We

start I started a production company like I don't know 15 to 20 years ago. I was doing

I was on the set of Will and Grace. I was towards the end of the first run as we call it

the first eight years before the reboot. And I was looking around like how did all you

think I would have thought about this the first season but it was the last season. And

I was like how did all this happen? How did who started this? Who put this? Who brought

the donuts? Yes. Exactly. These 300 people together to build this machine. And I was

like that's fascinating. It always starts with one phone call. So who was that person?

And then I became really, really curious about building these what I call machines of

shows. And it just kind of opened up a whole new area in my brain, which is not very large

to begin with. Well, it's large enough because a lot of actors don't do this. They sort

of have a hit show and then they go off into the wilderness essentially. Yes. Well, I

needed a reason to get out of bed every morning because I saw the writing was on the wall.

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