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Sounds True: Insights at the Edge

A.H. Almaas and Henry Shukman: “The Many Faces of Awakening”

Sounds True: Insights at the Edge

Tami Simon

Religion, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality

4.61.8K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

In this special episode, Tami Simon brings together two visionary teachers for a rare conversation exploring awakening’s multiple dimensions. Join Tami and her guests A.H. Almaas—founder of the Diamond Approach—and Zen teacher Henry Shukman for an extraordinary exploration of awakening’s multiple dimensions. Discover why spiritual realization isn’t one destination but an ongoing revelation of reality’s many faces, from blazing emptiness to infinite love.

This conversation offers genuine transmission—not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together. Originally aired on Sounds True One


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0:00.0

The Sounds True Podcast Network.

0:15.8

Welcome, friends, to the Sounds True One special on the many faces of awakening. This is something that I've

0:23.8

been thrilled every time I think about it over the last several weeks, knowing that it's coming up

0:30.1

and here it is. For the many faces of awakening, we have with us, Hamid Ali. He's the founder of the Diamond approach, and he

0:41.3

writes under the pen name, A.H. Almis. We're also joined by Zen teacher, Henry Shookman. And let me tell you

0:51.9

a little bit about the origin of this special event. It sounds true one.

0:58.2

In many ways, the seed of it was planted approximately 10 years ago when I had the privilege

1:05.8

of recording a series with Hamid Ali on endless enlightenment. And in that series, I learned many, many things,

1:16.5

but one of them was it was a correction in my mind state that somehow I thought enlightenment

1:24.1

was kind of like a place I was going to go to and land there and be a somewhere.

1:30.6

And instead, it opened my eyes to this notion of endless enlightenment, a living process of new

1:39.1

discoveries, discoveries that who knows what they'll even be in the future.

1:44.5

All right, the second input into this particular dialogue is that I was reading Henry Shookman's

1:51.5

book, a beautiful book called Original Love.

1:55.8

It inspired our team, it sounds true, to release a new meditation series with Henry that's called

2:02.7

Awakening. It's coming out this month. And in reading original love, the final section of the book,

2:09.8

he offers something called a taxonomy of awakening. And I was like, Henry, you have a taxonomy

2:17.1

of awakening? That's amazing. And he offered

2:20.2

four different faces of awakening. So these two inputs together have brought us to this moment where we'll

2:28.0

be having this dialogue between Hamid and Henry. Welcome to you both. Welcome.

2:34.7

Thank you so much, Tammy. It's fantastic to be with you.

2:37.8

And you too, Hamid, a great honor. Yeah, good to be here of both of you.

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