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🗓️ 20 April 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This is Hidden Killers Week in review. |
| 0:02.4 | I look back at the most prolific stories of the week. |
| 0:06.2 | This is Hidden Killers with Tony Brewski. |
| 0:10.0 | When detective sat Richard Allen down to discuss the Delphi murders of Abby and Libby, |
| 0:17.4 | they didn't exactly invite him in for tea and biscuits. Instead, they tried every trick in the book to |
| 0:24.7 | break him down using flawed forensic claims, pressure, emotional appeals, flat out lies. It's |
| 0:32.6 | like they watch too many episodes of Law and Order without checking the science homework first. |
| 0:38.1 | Psychotherapist Shavon Scott joins us today to help unpack what exactly was happening in the interrogation |
| 0:42.6 | room and we have a lot of clips to walk through and witness as far as what happened now that |
| 0:47.8 | they are released. Shavon, before we do that, when interrogators use exaggerated or even fictional expert evidence, because that's what |
| 0:58.0 | was used in here, to pressure someone into confessing something they didn't do. How does that |
| 1:04.5 | typically impact someone psychologically, especially like this, where, again, I don't believe |
| 1:10.0 | he did it. And I think a lot of people don't |
| 1:12.2 | believe that he did it. So we're going to operate on that plane. It really is designed to coerce a |
| 1:19.5 | confession. And a lot of us have ethical concerns about the tactics that are used in these |
| 1:24.7 | kind of interrogations. But it is pretty standard, you know, |
| 1:28.5 | across most law enforcement agencies. And it is designed to elicit cognitive and emotional |
| 1:34.7 | fatigue to completely break the person down. And at some point, a vulnerable person may just |
| 1:41.1 | agree because they want out of the pressure. |
| 1:47.2 | So they may say they did it when, in fact, they didn't. |
| 1:55.6 | And you never got a confession out of him while he was in a good place, in a sane, healthy mindset. |
| 2:00.4 | But the argument is, oh, well, he confessed later in those phone calls. |
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