A fiery debate on Israel & Palestine
Tangle
Isaac Saul
4.7 • 817 Ratings
🗓️ 10 November 2023
⏱️ 102 minutes
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Summary
On Monday, I interviewed Hussein Aboubakr Mansour and Dan Cohen about the Israel and Palestine conflict. Mansour, an Egyptian-born Muslim who grew up hating Israel, is now pretty staunchly in the pro-Israel camp. Cohen, an American Jew who grew up being told Israel was his homeland, is one of the most followed anti-Israel and anti-Zionist journalists on the internet.
As you'll hear in my intro to this conversation, there is some unevenness in how close each of them are towards the extreme on their respective ends of the spectrum, there was some controversy about the interview after we finished recording, and there are some details about both of their backgrounds that you should know before listening to this interview (for instance, Cohen worked for two years at RT America, part of the state-funded Russia Today news outlet). Still, I think the conversation was worth having, and I think the strong arguments, the bad arguments, and the complexity of this topic are all self-evident to the viewer when watching.
I did my best to both moderate and add some context after the fact where appropriate, but I'd love to hear your feedback on whether you found the conversation educational, valuable, interesting; or alternatively if you found it useless, boring, or counter-productive. We are always looking to improve.
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| 0:35.2 | From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. |
| 0:44.8 | Hey guys, today we are going to be sharing one of the most difficult, controversial, and heated conversations that I have been a part of on the Tangle podcast and the YouTube channel. |
| 1:02.9 | The conversation started like this. |
| 1:06.2 | Long story short, in 2014, I went to Palestine, Israel, whatever you want to call it, and began my work in journalism. |
| 1:17.1 | Kind of like, damn, you know, growing up the issue of Israel, Palestine, and yeah, the conflict is, you know, imprinted on me. |
| 1:24.7 | And the conversation ended like this. Wait, you're accusing me of |
| 1:29.7 | all these things. Jan, I, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Let me just go, let him finish. |
| 1:34.6 | I hope you're paid well, Hussein. I hope you're paid well for this, man. Now, before we played the |
| 1:40.4 | interview, there is some additional context that I think needs to be added, because a lot of |
| 1:45.0 | things happened off camera that I think any viewer or listener here should know about. So I'm |
| 1:50.4 | going to explain how the interview came to be, what happened immediately after it was recorded, |
| 1:55.2 | and how I think about the way the people involved responded after we finished recording. |
| 2:02.5 | First, the conversation you are about to watch is between Hussein Abu Bakar Mansour and Dan Cohen. Initially, my interview was going to be |
| 2:09.3 | with Hussein. He is one of my favorite followers on Twitter and someone who I think has spoken |
| 2:14.4 | about the Israel-Palestine conflict with a great deal of thoughtful |
| 2:17.5 | commentary and a unique perspective. Hussein is an Egyptian-born Muslim who describes himself as a former, |
| 2:23.8 | quote-unquote, wannabe jihadist, who, after years of teaching himself Hebrew and reading more about |
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