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A fact checker hangs up his Pinocchios

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🗓️ 31 July 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

"In an era where false claims are the norm, it's much easier to ignore the fact-checkers." Those are the final words of the final column of Glenn Kessler, who has been The Fact Checker at the Washington Post these last 14 years.

Kessler is one of many journalists making high-profile exits from the Post, some of whom cite the new direction the paper's leadership is taking as the reason they're leaving.

In an interview, Kessler reflects on the arc of the project, why he's leaving, and the value of fact checkers — even if politicians ignore them.

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0:00.0

Pinocchio. It is not the name at the top of President Trump's list of grievances, but it has repeatedly popped up in his speeches over the years.

0:09.6

I have to be always very truthful, because if I'm a little bit off, they call me a liar.

0:16.6

They'll say he gets a Pinocchio, the stupid Washington Post. They have Pinocchio.

0:22.0

I mean, even if you like saying things perfectly, it's a Pinocchio.

0:25.2

There's nothing you can say where you don't get a Pinocchio.

0:28.2

That is from a campaign rally in 2019.

0:32.0

Pinocchioes are the reading system used by the fact checker at the Washington Post.

0:37.0

The project launched in 2011,

0:39.4

joining outfits like PolitiFact and Factcheck.org with a simple mission,

0:44.8

evaluate politicians' claims for truthfulness. Their verdicts ranged from four Pinocchio,

0:51.0

is just flat out totally wrong, to the rare Geppetto checkmark completely accurate.

0:57.9

In its 14 years, the fact checker has debunked a mountain of dubious claims from both sides of the aisle.

1:04.2

We will keep this promise to the American people.

1:08.6

If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.

1:13.0

President Obama's promise about his still-in-the-works, Affordable Care Act eventually earned him for Pinocchio's.

1:20.7

This Mitt Romney ad from the 2012 presidential race got tagged for two.

1:24.9

Under Obama, we've lost over half a million manufacturing jobs.

1:28.9

And for the first time, China is beating us. Seven times Obama could have stopped China's cheating.

1:34.9

Seven times, he refused. And then, of course, came Trump. I am officially running for president of the United States, and we are going to make our country great again.

1:52.0

Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading claims during his first term, according to an analysis by the Post's fact-checker. But neither

2:02.1

Trump nor his backers seem to care. That's the grim reality that Glenn Kessler grapples with

2:08.1

in his last column as the fact-checker. He took a voluntary buyout. He's leaving the Washington Post

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