So a couple of weeks ago, we had onto the program Dimitri Melhorn, who was going to tech

executive and a democratic operative who has become one of the more influential but little

known figures in democratic politics.

And he has strong ideas about how Democrats ought to campaign and how they ought to message.

And we got a lot of feedback from our interview with him, which if you haven't listened

to, yeah, you should go back and listen to that one first before you listen to this one.

And one of the people that he named checked the most throughout that interview was a not

Shankar Osorio, who's going to join us today.

A not thank you for agreeing to come on.

Appreciate it.

Thanks for having me.

Were you surprised at all that he brought you up so many times throughout that conversation?

Yeah.

I think that I was surprised at the number of times.

I also think I was surprised that he did so in such a complimentary way, despite the

fact that we definitely have places where we don't agree.

So yeah, I was appreciative of that.

I actually interviewed Dimitri about a year ago for an extended period of time, but the

sound quality wasn't very good.

And so we kind of put off doing it again.

It just one thing became another and it took upwards of, I think, a little over a year

for us to reschedule and get back on the horn, but I went back and looked at the earlier

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