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Yeah sitting for a portrait in the 19th century is not an easy thing. It takes a long time and then,

so you're going to tend to talk to your artist while you're doing this. And this happens to Lincoln with a painter Francis Carpenter his painter he has a talk

with Lincoln and he records what Lincoln says and because of that we may know a little bit about

the events surrounding the Emancipation Proclamation.

Lincoln shocks most of his cabinet on July 22nd, 1862, the second year of the Civil War

when he rises and says to the members he's thinking of and prepared a draft of a proclamation that would free all of the

slaves in the Confederate States. What's more he did not call the cabinet together for advice but rather to lay the

draft before them.

Now there's various accounts. Secretary Chase, who was more radical on abolition than Lincoln had been, is astonished and he at first says well there there's certain

things he'd like it to go farther for instance if you're going to

emancipate slaves he wants to see that the owners are not compensated.

That's his position on it.

But then, according to Secretary War Stanton, who's in the room, Chase has some second thoughts about issuing this proclamation he he

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