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The Daily

A D.O.J. Whistleblower Speaks Out

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 23 July 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Warning: This episode contains strong language. An explosive whistle-blower report claims that the Justice Department is asking government lawyers to lie to the courts, and that this has forced career officials to chose between upholding the Constitution and pledging loyalty to the president. Rachel Abrams speaks to the whistle-blower about his career in the Justice Department and his complaint saying he was fired for telling the truth.

Transcript

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily.

0:10.6

An explosive whistleblower report claims that the Justice Department is asking government

0:15.4

lawyers to lie to the courts, and that that has forced career officials to choose between upholding the

0:22.1

Constitution or pledging loyalty to the president. Today, I speak to that whistleblower.

0:31.8

It's Wednesday, July 23rd.

0:43.6

Erisruvaney, welcome to the Daily.

0:46.1

Nice to meet.

0:47.6

I spoke to Erisruvani, the whistleblower, on Monday.

0:50.9

I'm very curious how you feel being with us today.

0:56.2

Well, I mean, I didn't have this on my life bingo card, but I'm happy to be here and happy to tell my story and happy that you all want

1:00.3

to hear it. In 2010, Ruvani joined the Justice Department's Office of Immigration Litigation,

1:07.7

where he worked until he was fired in April of this year.

1:16.8

And then in June, he filed a whistleblower complaint that alleges he was, quote, thwarted, threatened,

1:22.0

fired, and publicly disparaged for both doing his job and telling the truths of the court,

1:28.5

because his clients engaged in unlawful activity, abused their authority, created substantial and specific threat to health and safety, and because the pattern of this conduct continues to this day.

1:34.0

Look, I've been a DOJ attorney for 15 years, and the things that I experienced in that

1:40.9

three-week window from March 14th to April 5th when I was suspended,

1:46.7

are unprecedented. I've never seen anything like it.

1:50.2

His whistleblower complaint focuses on directives he got from senior political appointees

1:55.0

at the Justice Department, including from Emil Bovi, who, before joining the DOJ, was President Trump's personal lawyer.

2:04.5

So I've come forward because the Trump administration has put civil servants in this impossible position of fealty to the president and the agenda

2:14.9

or fealty to uphold the Constitution and to uphold the rule of law.

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