Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have a very special guest or returning guest. We've done two shows in the past. His name is Joe. Simhart, last name is spelled, S-Z-I-M-H-A-R-T. And you can go, I'll put a link to his YouTube channel. He's done a lot of research online on a variety of different subjects.

And the theme of his channel is Colts in the culture.

And he has a cult kind of deprogramming history.

But I read, I would talk to him about his very interesting book.

And I highly recommend people check this out.

And that book's title was, I'm going back to it.

We also did a show about Lewis, Jolian West,

but he also did this book about his kind of,

it's Santa Fe, Bill Tate, and me.

How a, come on, where's my, my, how, how an artist became a cult interventionist. Thank you.

So you're really not a deep program. You're an interventionist.

Well, it's a better term for that.

Okay. Well, you probably, yeah, interventionist is a better term.

But I was looking through his research on his YouTube channel and I came across

this, a course in miracles. And it's something that I remember in my life. Like I know

friends who've read the course in miracles, it's popped up in other conversations I've had

with people and there was some kind of big MK Ultra association with somebody who was affiliated with the writer of this Barbara,

Ellen Shuckman, the guy's name was William Thetford.

But Joe can talk more about that.

So Joe, welcome back to the show.

Yeah, thank you for having me on, Bill.

Awesome.

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