From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

From the moment J.D. V Vance came onto the national stage, he was inextricably linked to Donald Trump.

At first, as the author of the best-selling book Hillbilly Elegy,

Vance was the Trump Whisperer, explaining the Trump phenomenon and his 2016 win

to the liberal elite.

Back then, Vance didn't like Trump.

He called him an idiot, condemned what he saw as Trump's dangerous rhetoric,

and wondered in a private message whether Trump could become, quote,

America's Hitler. Eventually Vance had a political conversion,

embracing Trump and seeking his endorsement in his run for Senate in 2022,

a race which he won.

Two years later, here we are.

Vance is not only Trump's vice presidential candidate,

but considered by many the heir apparent to MAGA,

his meteoric rise helped by his deaf defense of Trumpism.

Vance has always been comfortable in the public eye, starting with his job dealing with the media

when he was in the Marines.

Because of his success as an author and then his move into politics,

he's left a long record in writings, podcasts,

and personal correspondence of his evolving views, not just on Trump, but on issues like

immigration and his vision for the country.

He said, for example, that Trump, if elected, should quote, seize the institutions of the left,

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