All right, today's episode of Conservative Daily is going to be a little bit different. Normally, we cover current events, but every once in a while, we break away to do a long-form discussion with people that we really need to hear from. And today is no exception. Today, I'm joined by Kathy O'Brien. Some of you might know who Kathy is. She's one of the major players as a survivor of MK Ultra.

She's someone that her testimony has made it to the congressional record.

And I recently saw a documentary that's been out for a while, but it's hard to find, called Trance.

And I'll just tell you right now, I was in many respects

heartbroken by her experiences, but also encouraged that she has come through them. And my wife also

picked up her book, Access to Nine. And I'm working my way through it right now. And what an exhilarating read.

It's it's tough, it's tough treading, but it's made me all the more excited to have this conversation.

So with that, Kathy, welcome to Conservative Daily.

Thank you so much for having me on.

Yeah, I've been speaking out for over 35 years on MK Ultra mind control and healing from it.

And yet the information is more pertinent today than ever before, you know, because people are waking up, wondering what in the world is going on.

And when they factorored mind control into

the equation, all of a sudden, everything starts making sense. Yeah, I think the thing that

has struck me both from the documentary and what I've been able to read is my own ignorance

of my own brainwashing. Not to the degree that you've been through, but

the things that you bring up, there is a societal mass brainwashing. And I don't know if it's just

pride and hubris where many of us don't think we're subject to that type of mind control.

But it's there.

And there seems to be a, I don't know, maybe a renaissance of free thinking where Trump started talking about this thing called fake news.

And where people are like, what does he mean by fake news and

then there's more research into the smithmunt act and where was there legal permission to use

taxpayer dollars to brainwash the american people through propaganda campaigns and i think people

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