This is Intelligence Matters with former acting director of the CIA, Michael Morrell.

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Brian Fogel is an American filmmaker.

He is best known for his 2017 documentary film, Icarus, which won the 2018 Academy Award

for Best Documentary Feature, and which was instrumental in the International Olympic

Committee's banning of Russia in the 2018 Winter Games.

Brian is now releasing his most recent film, The Decident, which chronicles Saudi Arabia's

2018 assassination of Jamal Kashoggi.

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I'm Michael Morrell, and this is an episode of Intelligence Matters Declassified, Real

Spy Stories, in this case, told by an investigative filmmaker.

Brian, welcome to Intelligence Matters.

You're the first filmmaker that we've ever had on the show, and given the subject matter,

it is great to have you with us.

So welcome.

Well, thank you, Michael, I've listened to you many times and honored to be with you

in discussing the story that has so much importance in our world.

So Brian, I just want to make sure you know that we have two different kinds of episodes

here on the show.

One, as you might expect, are national security experts talking about some particular topic.

And a second type are former intelligence and law enforcement officers who are telling

true spy stories that either they were involved with or that they witnessed during their

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