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A Blunt Conversation about Cannabis w/ David Bienenstock

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Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.91.8K Ratings

🗓️ 20 April 2024

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

“The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.” This is a quote attributed to the late astronomer, planetary scientist, and cannabis enthusiast, Carl Sagan. And if you’ve ever watched the original Cosmos series which he created and hosted, you won’t be surprised that he appreciated pot. His decades-old insights and wisdom about marijuana and its individual and societal benefits carry forth the energy that we’re bringing to this special 4/20 episode of Upstream which is a celebration of this incredible plant—its history, its myths, legends, culture, and much more. And we’ve brought on the perfect guest to discuss this with us.

David Bienenstock is the author of the book How to Smoke Pot (Properly): A Highbrow Guide to Getting High, and host of the podcast Great Moments in Weed History. In this episode we explore the history and culture of cannabis from prehistoric times, through to the ancient biblical times of Jesus, and up to the present. We recount the real story of how 4/20 became a celebrated holiday, we hear some of David’s favorite weed stories, and get serious too as we discuss the impacts of criminalization, the commodification of cannabis in the legalization process, the need for racial justice to repair communities of color disproportionately impacted by the war on drugs, and the possibility of a general strike on 4/20.

So lean back, grab your joint or your pipe or your bong or your vape or if you don’t partake, just imagine you’re in the remote blunt rotation and you’re skipping your puff and politely passing the joint—and this is important—to the left-hand side, as you join Robert and David in conversation about all things cannabis.

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0:00.0

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Cannabis is probably been in humans lives for about 10,000 years.

0:28.0

To give you some perspective on that, no less than Carl Sagan, was himself a noted stoner who attributed a lot of his

0:37.8

best ideas to thinking about things while he was high. He once speculated in his book that cannabis might be the first ever

0:49.4

domesticated plant, really the plant that drove the dawn of agriculture, which, you know, been a bit of a

0:57.6

mixed bag for humanity as far as I'm concerned, but that aside, it shows you how far back this relationship goes and it shows you

1:06.0

how central to the human experience cannabis has been in that entire time span.

1:14.8

You are listening to Upstream.

1:16.9

Upstream.

1:18.0

Upstream.

1:19.8

A podcast of documentaries and conversations that invites you to unlearn everything you thought

1:25.2

you knew about economics.

1:27.6

I'm Dela Duncan and I'm Robert Raymond.

1:30.3

The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to the full utilization of a drug that helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.

1:47.0

This is a quote attributed to the late astronomer, planetary scientist, and cannabis enthusiast, Carl Sagan.

1:56.0

And if you ever watch the original Cosmos series which he created and hosted, you won't

2:00.9

be surprised that he appreciated pot.

2:03.0

His decades-old insights and wisdom about marijuana and its individual and societal benefits

2:10.0

carry forth the energy that we're bringing in to this special 420 episode of

2:15.4

Upstream which is a celebration of this incredible plant, its history, its myths,

2:21.3

legends, culture, and much more.

2:25.0

And we've brought on the perfect guest to discuss this with us.

2:29.0

David Beninstock is the author of the the book How to Smoke Pot Properly, a high-brow guide to

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