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Each year it's estimated there are 2 million victims of domestic abuse in England and Wales,

and yet fewer than 5% of incidents recorded by police result in conviction.

There's a severe lack of confidence in the criminal justice system's ability to protect these victims.

This mother of two found the strength to leave her abusive marriage.

Nicole Oliver's divorce was nearly finalized in July of 2007 when her husband shot her to death before turning the gun on himself.

Oliver had once said he wants to see me dead. Her chilling words are now the title of a report released by the Domestic Violence Homicide Review Panel.

It's made up of advocates, attorneys and law enforcement officials their goal to prevent other victims out there from becoming the latest statistic.

Hi and welcome to Real Crime Profile. I'm Laura Richards, Criminal Behavioral Analyst, former New Scotland Yard, Director and Founder of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service,

an author of the Dash Risk Assessment Model and the book, Cleasing Domestic Violence.

And with me today in the L.A. Studio is...

Lisa Zambezi, I am the casting director for CBS's Criminal Minds where Jim Clementi is my colleague and I have a real interest in Real Crime and the minds that solve those crimes.

We are very lucky to be joined by very special guest.

Hi everybody, it's Francy Hakes. I am a former state and federal prosecutor and co-host with the aforementioned Jim Clementi of the podcast, Best Case Worse Case, and I'm really excited to join you guys today.

And we're really pleased to have you here and it's a shame Jim can't be in the studio too, but it's getting pretty warm in here anyway with the three of us and all the equipment.

So we're just very happy to have you here, Francy, I know we're going to have a very interesting conversation.

Thank you, glad to be here. So we're continuing our talk that we started last week and boy this is a hugely encompassing subject but Laura do you want to just recap what we talked about last time?

So our loyal listeners will know that last week we discussed the mass shooting that happened in Texas and this was the one that happened on November the 5th on the Sunday where the local community was gathered in the church and a gunman went in there with a very clear methodical plan that he acted out and took the lives of 25 people and also an unborn child.

And we wanted to pay homage to the victims and to honor them and bring a human face to them as we always do on real crime profile.

And we also wanted to discuss the psychology of mass shooters and we went into quite a lot of detail with the links with domestic abuse and coercive control, child abuse and stalking and we had a great debate with Francy about that, both talking about the UK and the US environment.

And what needs to change and what needs to change is as we're going to continue to discuss things like the attitude and aptitude and in various law enforcement agencies and workplaces, there has to be leadership to say that domestic abuse and violence of any kind and stalking and child abuse is not right and not appropriate.

So we're going to jump back into the conversation and I know Lisa you really wanted to highlight one of our listeners letters that and of course we hear from so many people I still get so many emails from people sadly I can't always get to all of them but I know you're really keen to tell us about Leanna so it's a why don't you tell us what she said.

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