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#978 - Spencer Greenberg - How Much Does IQ Matter?

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.74.6K Ratings

🗓️ 9 August 2025

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Spencer Greenberg is a mathematician, founder, CEO & creator of ClearerThinking.org How much does IQ really matter? Most of us have met people on both ends of the spectrum and wondered where we stand and what that means for our future. But is IQ truly fixed, or can it be shaped in some very surprising ways? Expect to learn how much IQ matters in all areas of your life, what the pubic misunderstands about IQ, if we should be treating intelligence more like a skill than an inherent trait, why the obsession with IQ might just be a form of intellectual status-signaling, why imposter syndrome is shockingly common and some counterintuitive benefits to imposter syndrome, if traits like narcissism or sociopathy can ever be adaptive or useful, the most common misinterpretations of the Dunning-Kruger effect, and much more… Sponsors: See me on tour in America: ⁠https://chriswilliamson.live⁠ See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period from Shopify at https://shopify.com/modernwisdom Get 60% off an annual plan of Incogni at https:/incogni.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular Flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Timestamps: (0:00) The Intelligence Test (3:25) What is IQ? (7:19) The Main Claims Around IQ (12:35) How Important is IQ? (17:50) More Claims Around IQ (19:52) Can a High IQ Be a Disadvantage? (22:25) Are IQ and Happiness Correlated? (35:20) What Does the Future of IQ Research Look Like? (36:31) - Deep Dive into Imposter Syndrome (55:07) Re-examining the Dunning-Kruger Effect (01:02:22) Deciding Your Own Attractiveness Level (01:06:14) Misunderstandings About Personality Disorders (01:16:56) The Differences Between Sociopaths and Psychopaths (01:17:56) Are Narcissism and Sociopathy Adaptive Traits? (01:23:27) Are We Over-Pathologizing Unpleasant People? (01:25:02) Find Out More About Spencer Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

What was this study you did on intelligence?

0:04.0

Yeah, so some people say that IQ is a pseudoscientific swindle, and other people think it fully captures everything about your intelligence and says who you are as a person fundamentally.

0:15.2

And as you probably know, there was a big replication crisis in social science where many studies failed to replicate.

0:22.5

And so we thought, hey, we can do our part by trying to replicate a lot of claims about IQ

0:26.6

and intelligence. So we recruited over 3,000 people. We implemented 62 distinct intelligence

0:32.4

tasks, which includes everything from like memorization, puzzle solving, math problems, spelling,

0:38.8

reaction time, sort of everything you could possibly think about,

0:41.3

that you could do online automatically.

0:43.4

And then we tested about 40 different claims that are made about intelligence,

0:47.1

and we checked if they held up.

0:50.0

Right. Yeah, it is, intelligence is kind of like the barbell chalk and cheese. It's the,

0:57.7

how do you say, it's like the cognitive raw shock test. It's like how you see it kind of tells me

1:04.9

probably quite a lot about your priors coming into it. You're right, it's either the fundamental

1:09.9

underpinning that explains all of the outcomes

1:11.7

that you're going to get in life, or it is a Nazi-ish policy that never had any basis in science

1:18.7

and should be totally disbanded. Yeah, it's pretty wild. And so the question is, yeah,

1:23.8

what's really true about it? To what extent is academia right about it? To what extent of the late public right about it? And so we explored a bunch of those questions. Why do you think, even before we get into that, why do you think it's so contentious? Yeah, I think it's a few things. One, it does have a horrendous history. It was used, for example, like the idea of IQ or measuring intelligence was used for forced sterilization, so that's pretty horrible. I mean, the Nazis got into really some evil stuff around, you know, thinking about how intelligent people are and murdering people on that basis. So I think that's part of it. I think another thing is, you know, everyone kind of thinks it's like, yeah, it's good to be organized. But if someone says you're disorganized, it doesn't feel like it cuts to the bone, like of who you are as a human or it doesn't make you subhuman. But I think some people feel this about intelligence. If you're told you're unintelligent, that it's sort of like says you're bad and have a fundamental way or you're lesser. And I think that's, you know, and I think, so I think that it feels

2:19.1

different. That's interesting. Intelligence is very close to our sense of self in a way that the

2:25.1

cleanliness of our cupboards or like our obsessiveness or something isn't quite so much. Yeah. And

2:33.1

it's really interesting because having run many different studies on human psychology, we find there are some things people can report accurately about themselves, and there's some things they can't. Like, for example, if you ask people how organized they are, they're pretty accurate, actually. But if you ask people, are you intelligent? Not so accurate. Like, it's hard for people to self-assess

2:50.9

because sort of everyone has to believe

2:52.5

that they're intelligent, right?

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