So hello everybody. I am sitting here with Dr. Timothy Petitza. Dr. Petitza is a professor of ethics at Holy Cross and at

Hellenic College. He is also now the interim dean at Hellenic College, which gives an undergraduate level

degree of all kinds of undergraduate degrees. He's also teaching at the seminary, Holy Cross, which is a seminary for priests.

But I have him here today for a few reasons.

One is that for years, I would say, since about 2015, people have been telling me you have to talk to Dr. Timothy.

You have to talk to him.

And now recently, because I'm making YouTube videos,

I've had people watching my videos saying,

oh, I can't read this article by him.

I've read this interview with him.

You have to talk to him.

And we had a brief chance of meeting at an event in the fall.

But now I have been into his book,

which he just published called The Ethics of Beauty,

and I'm finding in it all the stuff that I love that I'm interested in that you guys who watch this are interested in.

He talks about the, how about complexity, how about these new science of complexity is really bringing science and religion together?

You know, the inevitability

of patterns, how beauty is important in our, in the way we perceive reality and how we engage

with it. So I'm really excited to get a chance to talk to him about his book and just about

his ideas in general.

This is Jonathan Peugeot.

Welcome to the symbolic world.

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