The following is a conversation with Sirta Shkarmon, a professor at MIT, co-founder of the

autonomous vehicle company Optimus Ride, and is one of the top roboticists in the world,

including robots that drive and robots that fly. To me, personally, he has been a mentor,

a colleague, and a friend. He's one of the smartest and most generous people I know,

so it was a pleasure and honor to finally sit down with him for this recorded conversation.

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And now, here's my conversation with SirTash Karman.

Since you have worked extensively on both, what is the more difficult task?

Autonomous flying or autonomous driving?

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