The following is a conversation with Don Song, a professor of computer science at UC Berkeley

with research interests and computer security, most recently with a focus on the intersection

between security and machine learning. This conversation was recorded before the outbreak of the

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Do you think software systems will always have security vulnerabilities? Let's start at the broad,

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