Hey everyone welcome to the council of Trent my guest today is Dr Stephen Boyce and we are going to be talking about the case for the seven sacraments so Dr Boyce welcome to the program

Hey, thanks for having me on. It's good to see you again. Looking forward to this discussion. It's a very important one. I think that needs to be had between Anglicans and Catholics.

Sure, and all other Christians because the Saxons,und is very important and this is

definitely one of the fruits of the reformation trying to understand well just

how many of them are there what how does this entail with God's plan of

salvation it's interesting because you and I what how does this entail with God's plan of salvation?

It's interesting because you and I we did the two on two debate not too long ago,

Jimmy Aiken and I, and then you and then who is Dr.

Samuel Neeson in Malaysia?

Yeah Samuel Neeson. So is Dr. Neeson yourself and me and Jimmy and we were debating

about the issue of justification by faith alone, Solofide, and what's interesting here is that when you look amongst

Protestants so when you kind of drill down into some of the aspects of salvation, there can be some significant

differences and this is one of them and you've got an interesting journey yourself because when I was doing preparation for our debate I had seen that you had previously appeared on James White's dividing line and back then you were a Baptist but now you're

an Anglican. What happened there?

So I did a PhD program at a Baptist seminary and one of the major things that I was

studying was the early church patristics going back to a codex in Jerusalem

called Codex H which contained First Clement,

Epistle Barnabas, letters of Ignatius,

the full copy of the Didakay.

And so just kind of meditating through that

and I had to do a lot of translation and in the translation work that I was doing one of the major things I found

was that the church I was practicing and was not anything like them and so I was actually a Baptist pastor.

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