There are many people left who saw the early days of modern fly fishing first hand, and even fewer who helped shape it.

Today we're sitting down with two guys who were right there as things were changing, fly lines evolving, and techniques being figured out,

and a generation of anglers learning what actually works on the water.

Jim Tini and Dick Seagherry are here.

Two longtime voices in fly fishing who've seen it all from the early days,

steelheading in the Pacific Northwest to the fly line that changed the game for anglers all around the world.

Today, you're going to hear about the story behind the early teeny lines

and how these sink tip and full sinking lines came to be and how they changed the game.

We're going to find out what most anglers still miss when it comes to sinking rates and presentation.

We're going to talk about how Jim does it on the water.

And we're going to get a bunch of stories here, including this breakdown on T-Series

and how this evolved into a lot of the modern day sinking lines you know of today. Plus, we're going to hear the story of I spot them, I got them, and the story behind the man who throws rocks and fish. This is a fun one. We'll have some links in the show notes if you want to connect with Jim or Dick. Let's get into it. Here they are, Jim Tini and Dick Segarra. How are you guys doing? Wonderful. Doing good.

Yeah, doing good, Dave. It's great to have you guys on here. We've had episodes,

podcast episodes in the past with both of you guys. We've talked all over the place about history

and flies and lines and rods. It's been great. Today, I think we're going to talk about the people, really, maybe, that both of you guys, you know, have connected with Jim. You've obviously, both of you guys. I mean, we're talking a long time in the industry. So we're going to get a background there. But before we get into that, I want to hear right away the story because I'm not sure if I remember this one. first off, what is the story of you guys meeting?

Do you guys both remember that?

Can one of you tell that story?

Well, I do.

And Jim may have forgotten how I met Jim, but way back in the 70s, I had moved out here from back east.

And I remember distinctly walking up to Jim at an event, a fly fishing

event, in a gymnasium. Okay. And I almost recalled what happened. I think I showed Jim some

flies or something. And as usual, Jim was very polite,

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