Welcome to Syntax. We got a special one for you today. You probably saw the title. And I'm not going to spoil it for James just yet because he's probably really excited about this. But when I heard about what had happened, I thought, like, let's get them on just for a little bit on the podcast and talk about like, like, what does it mean? What does this mean for payload CMS what does it mean that like why would

figma do this and then third like like what is the future of building full stack apps especially

with all these AI tools look like and I think that um this was part of a play in that by

figma and we'll find out so welcome James thanks so. Thanks so much for coming on. I love being here.

Last time was a blast. Yeah, super fun. We were, we were saying we had a meetup in Denver a couple

weeks ago and we're like, man, we still got to do Grand Rapids because I think that would be

would be pretty fun to do. Yeah, I think if you came here, we could make a pretty big deal out of it.

We don't get a lot of interesting guests through this space, especially in the tech world.

But there's a little enclave of people that would be very interested. So, that'd be fun. Cool.

Well, let's let's not beat around the bush here. We'll do a quick intro, payload, CMS. Give us a quick intro of what that is and then tell us your announcement.

Yeah, we actually, in my head, we just refer to it as payload, but it is a CMS. I think there's a huge difference between payload and any other CMS where you usually think of CMS as something

to manage web pages and blog posts and media, right? And they're generally not very smiled upon

by engineers because they're pretty tough to work with and very rigid. But payload flips the

script on all of that. And our biggest use cases are actually like application backends for internal tools and whatever.

So we're kind of a hybrid app framework in CMS.

And it's been a lot of fun to build, but we're just beginning.

That's exciting.

And what's the big announcement?

So, yeah.

I want to kind of start from the beginning here.

Payload was actively raising a Series A.

And I was out, you know, going down Sand Hill Road in San Francisco doing the move and talking

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