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Apply with £100,000 annual income or £100,000 savings or investments with HSBC UK or Premier status abroad. Hello and welcome to the Wednesday's episode of the Battleground Ukraine podcast with me Saul David and Patrick Bishop.

Well, today we're going to be talking about the final leg of our trip from Ukraine when the two of us and also our producer James reflect on our trip from the Polish city of Krakow.

Well here we are on what the soldiers would call, wouldn't they? So, uh, end-ex, end of exercise,

where you're meant to sit around and mull over what it is you've learned from

what you've just been through.

We've chosen a very good place for it.

The main square, historic square of the very historic Krakow.

We're sitting at a nice cafe terrace, having a few beers and waiting for our food to arrive.

But we've earned this, haven't we, big time?

We really have, because we get on to the purpose of the trip and our impressions of it in a minute,

but we really need to mention the ordeal we've gone through today. I mean, we left Kiev at about,

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