Hey guys, welcome to Coffee Convos. I know it's a little weird because I'm introducing

the episode because this week I am alone, not totally alone, but alone without kill.

And I have a special guest who's been on the podcast several times before Katie Morton

welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

I am so excited to talk to you because first of all, I just enjoy our conversations.

And two, I feel like what I want to talk to you about is so relatable to a lot of people.

And I've talked about having anxiety on the podcast many of times before. And it's weird

because some people say, are you, you know, like self diagnosing? Are you diagnosed with

anxiety? So on and so forth. And I'm like, okay, first of all, that's a little personal.

And secondly, I'm not going to go out here and openly admit that I have something that

like I don't have. So I know a lot of people to have, you know, been sympathetic and also,

you know, shared their stories with anxiety and just like how it affects their life.

And you know, to be perfectly honest with anxiety for me, I didn't even realize that that's

what I was experiencing. And I didn't know, I didn't know like what anxiety really was.

I just knew how I felt. So not until I actually went to the doctor, did I realize that it's

what it was? If that makes sense.

Yeah, no, of course. And I think that's really normal. I think, like, for instance, I

have patients who won't even come to me because of anxiety. They'll have been referred from

their doctor because they thought something was wrong with their heart or they thought

that they just could never catch their breath. So something must be wrong. It's very common

for us not to realize that it is anxiety and to think it's something else. Or think we're

just like completely crazy. I have a lot of patients are like, I felt like I was drowning

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