Hello, Owen Joseph, welcome to the podcast. Now, Ian Lavery is someone who needs to be

listened to as regards the future of Labour politics. He is a former trade union leader,

he's a former minor. He represents a solidly working class community of other sort that

Labour has gone backwards in. And I speak to him about Keir Starmer's self-evidently

disastrous, the fault-tering leadership, about where Labour is going wrong, about what

needs to happen, whether it can be turned round, if Labour lose the upcoming battle in

spend by election, is it curtains? What should the left do? The future of Labour, so many

things we talk about, as well as working class politics, something he's very passionate

about, and Labour was founded, of course, to represent working class people, so it's

a huge amount we talk about. Do you support us on patreon.com, 4-084 if you want to support

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that said, please listen to you my chat with Ian.

I am very honoured to have with me, Ian Labour, we can't as attacking the camera, let's

see how far we get through without the, this did happen mid-interview once in, can't

just through the camera on the floor, it was hugely embarrassing. How are you doing Ian?

Very well in terms of health, looking forward to getting through this breath of Covid pandemic,

look forward to having proper meetings and discussions and seeing people who are having

seen for probably over 14 months in, you know that's always better, not just for your

friends but with your enemies as well to be able to see the colour of the eyes when

you're discussing different things. So I'm looking forward to having a meeting with

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