We like to throw rocks at the people who don't see the world in the way we do.

I don't know why.

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Alright, so it is now time to turn our podcast to what I think many people who end up tuning in are going to be tuning in for.

I think your story is epic and deserves, it's an important story of its own merits.

But what's unique about this story is that at some point you guys decided to actually schedule a meeting

with Spencer Flumin, Dr. Spencer Flumin, who is I'm guessing the executive director of the Maxwell Institute.

Can you guys talk about how that came about?

Yeah, that's more on Brookside.

So I guess upon leaving the church, you tell people your loved ones, everyone wants to answer questions, people want to go out and try to save you

and bring you back to the fold.

And I think where, me and Josh, I mean, Josh introduced me to your podcast and the first one I watched was Lance and Nikki Miles.

And I think Lance tuned in at one point.

Oh, good. Well, thank you, Lance.

Yeah, and it spoke volumes to me, on a sense that, you know, this is when we decided to stop going to church.

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