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We can engage in fraud and we don't think we're going to get caught and if we do get caught we're

not going to jail because we can talk our way out of it. We're just going to pay a fine and move on

because that's that optimistic idea that it's not going to be as bad as actually it can be.

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fraud? How can businesses and individuals prevent getting taken for a ride? Kelly Richmond Pope and

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