We like to throw rocks at the people who don't see the world in the way we do.

I don't know why.

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So this ends part two of our interview with Timothy Bert.

And what we now would like to do is start part three of our interview

where we talk about ways that members can protect themselves and protect their children

from harm and from abuse.

So Tim, why don't we go through these really quick?

Thank you.

The first one is I ask people to consider having a meeting with their bishop or stake presidency

and form them of the issues about the current policies.

If you're agreeing with Sam and assigned a petition, share that with them, share the links to all the stories,

and just ask for parents to get involved with your church leaders

and to have a conversation with them.

That's number one.

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