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The Economics of Everyday Things

87. Ski Areas

The Economics of Everyday Things

Freakonomics Network

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4.81.2K Ratings

🗓️ 7 April 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

When you hit the slopes, you might not be thinking about water rights, controlled avalanches, and liability insurance — but someone has to. Zachary Crockett shreds the pow.

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0:00.0

Imagine for a moment that you're a venture capitalist, and you're looking for your next big investment.

0:10.1

And I'm making a pitch to you.

0:12.0

And I tell you that my business is seasonal, labor intensive, weather dependent, capital intensive,

0:24.2

and is based on a discretionary recreational activity that has inherent risks. I don't know if the conversation would go much further,

0:30.4

but that kind of sums up the ski industry. That's Rob Goodell. He's the chief operating officer

0:36.9

of Loveland Ski Area, near Silverthorne, Colorado.

0:41.4

Leveland is 11,000 feet up in the Rocky Mountains, just an hour's drive from the Denver metro area.

0:48.4

Been in operation for 85 years. We're owned by one family from Texas.

0:57.2

Chet and Virginia up them were investors back in the 50s. And then in the early 70s, 1972, they became the outright owners.

1:03.5

Chet and Virginia's descendants own Loveland today. And Goodell's been working for the family for

1:09.1

32 years. It takes a lot of intest fortitude, because there are seasons that are late to get started,

1:17.0

early to close, dry spells in between, and you have to be committed to it.

1:22.4

Over 70% of ski areas in the United States are independently owned, like Leveland. But the industry has

1:30.0

become more consolidated over the years, and the bigger companies are less vulnerable to the

1:35.6

inherent instability of the ski business. Their model is global. They have resorts around the

1:42.5

world, so they're kind of hedging their investment by saying that if the eastern part of the United States doesn't have a good winter, hopefully the western part, or the Midwest, or the southern hemisphere.

1:55.3

So what does it take to stay independent?

1:58.4

There is a joke in the industry that says,

2:01.2

how do you become a millionaire in the ski industry?

2:04.9

You start out as a multimillionaire and buy a ski area.

2:09.1

For the Freakonomics Radio Network,

2:11.4

this is the economics of everyday things.

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