So hello everybody. I am here with Jacob Russell. Jacob lives on the West Coast and I met him a few years ago as I was going to speak at a Catholic event.

And since then, he's been more and more involved in the discussion.

He's leading the Facebook group that talks about symbolism that discusses subjects from my brother's book, but also from the videos,

and widens the topic of symbolism to a whole bunch of stuff.

He's also running a Discord server about this discussion.

And also, I mean, Jacob and I have just been becoming friends slowly through all this time.

So I really enjoy talking to him.

So I'm going to ask me a few questions about the group and then also some specific questions that he has on theology and to Maximus the confessor.

This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

I've been out here on the West Coast for about 20 years. I have four kids. I got twins on the way.

So I'm really going through the rad trad phase. And then so and for about the,

when I moved out here to Oregon, I was, um, kind of your

Pentecostal charismatic Christian for a few years. Um, and I started noticing a lot of things

that seemed off to me. And so I was asking a bunch of questions, just trying to figure out

why I was more, in the aesthetics of things so

so while I was doing like worship music with the Protestants call worship music leading

you know the band style stuff and I started like thinking about like why does this look like a

concert it doesn't seem like christians always

had concerts you know and i just started questioning like the layouts of the church and and everything

and i started asking questions and nobody had any answers for me and so i started looking into more

deeper theology and that just nobody was having any answers for me so uh when I started looking deeper, I started looking into the distorosity of Christianity.

And for whatever reason, the atheist point of view was what grabbed a hole to me.

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