#835: Ben Patrick (KneesOverToesGuy) — 20-Minute Workouts That Produce Wild Results, From Chronic Knee Pain to Dunking Basketballs, Lessons from Charles Poliquin, Bulletproofing the Lower Body, and More

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🗓️ 12 November 2025

⏱️ 97 minutes

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Ben Patrick, better known as “Kneesovertoesguy” (@kneesovertoesguy), is the founder of Athletic Truth Group (ATG), an online and brick-and-mortar training system rooted in rehabilitative strength and joint health. After years of debilitating knee and shin pain (including multiple surgeries), he rebuilt his body and performance, going from a sub-20″ vertical to a documented 42″ leap.

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0:00.0	Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. Wow, that was quite the ejaculation. Sorry for the volume, folks.
0:05.2	Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferriss show. My guest today is Ben Patrick. Ben Patrick is better known as Knee Over Toes Guy.
0:13.5	And you can find him on Instagram and everywhere else as Knees Over Toes Guy. He is the founder of Athletic Truth Group, ATG, an online and brick and mortar
0:22.3	training system rooted in rehabilitative strength and joint health. After years of debilitating knee
0:28.5	and shin pain, including multiple surgeries, he rebuilt his body from the ground up and his
0:33.4	performance going from sub 20 inch vertical to a documented 42 inch leap. He is the author of
0:39.1	knee ability zero and other books on fitness and recovery. He's become a phenomenon online.
0:45.4	And I should note, there is a companion video for this episode where Ben and I walk through
0:51.1	all of the exercises we discuss together.
0:58.2	So if you want to see me with beginner's eyes going through this, asking questions with him, then you can check it out.
1:01.2	And you can find that on YouTube.com slash Tim Ferriss, T-I-M-F-E-R-I-S-S.
1:07.3	You can also find a video pinned on Ben's Instagram, that's knees over toes guy,
1:14.6	and that runs through a more comprehensive version of what we did in person. But if you want
1:20.7	the minimum effective dose, go to the YouTube.com slash Tim Ferriss, and you'll see what we did,
1:27.0	especially making some adjustments
1:29.1	for my current back pain. And if you want to see the more comprehensive stuff, you can check out
1:33.4	his Instagram. We also get into a lot more than just exercise. Ben asked me some questions
1:40.1	about how to navigate different decisions and integrity and so on in podcasting, business,
1:46.0	et cetera. And we actually spent a good amount of time on that towards the end of this
1:50.2	conversation, if that's of interest. And that is it. Without further ado, please enjoy a
1:54.9	wide-ranging conversation with Ben Patrick. And don't forget about the companion videos at
1:59.2	YouTube.com slash Tim Ferriss,
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