#835: Ben Patrick (KneesOverToesGuy) — 20-Minute Workouts That Produce Wild Results, From Chronic Knee Pain to Dunking Basketballs, Lessons from Charles Poliquin, Bulletproofing the Lower Body, and More
The Tim Ferriss Show
Tim Ferriss: Bestselling Author, Human Guinea Pig
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🗓️ 12 November 2025
⏱️ 97 minutes
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Summary
Ben Patrick, better known as “Kneesovertoesguy” (@kneesovertoesguy), is the founder of Athletic Truth Group (ATG), an online and brick-and-mortar training system rooted in rehabilitative strength and joint health. After years of debilitating knee and shin pain (including multiple surgeries), he rebuilt his body and performance, going from a sub-20″ vertical to a documented 42″ leap.
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Timestamps:
- [00:00:00] Who is Ben Patrick?
- [00:02:32] How Ben went from Old Man Patrick to Knees Over Toes Guy.
- [00:06:37] Backward sled dragging for safe strength building and rehab.
- [00:13:14] Full range of motion squatting (deep squats vs. 90-degree limitation).
- [00:16:30] “Strength is gained in the range it is trained.” — Charles Poliquin
- [00:18:50] ATG split squat (front foot elevated split squat).
- [00:19:53] Heel elevation and counterbalancing techniques.
- [00:24:26] Ben’s mother’s transformation — from hip deterioration to sprinting at age 71.
- [00:27:36] Ben’s vertical jump progression — unable to grab rim in high school to dunking at 34.
- [00:28:14] Most effective exercises Ben’s mom might recommend.
- [00:29:54] Ben and I reflect on what Charles Poliquin (RIP) gave to us.
- [00:36:36] How backwards sled pulling became a revered exercise.
- [00:39:12] Mr. Universe Bob Gajda’s contributions to Ben’s regimen.
- [00:42:16] ATG prioritizes offering American-made products when possible.
- [00:43:14] Tibialis raises without equipment.
- [00:45:37] Why I included the ATG wrist bar in a recent 5-Bullet Friday.
- [00:48:32] Ben’s videos he most recommends.
- [00:54:48] Applying the minimum effective dose (MED) for maximum results in any endeavor.
- [00:59:55] What I would include in The 4-Hour Body if it were written or revised today.
- [01:01:13] A space-saving alternative for people who want to enjoy the benefits of sled work.
- [01:01:57] Real examples of high-yield workouts that require a low investment of time.
- [01:05:59] Ben’s basketball warmup protocols.
- [01:06:59] Regularly skip leg day? Try Arnold Schwarzenegger’s one simple trick.
- [01:08:49] Maintaining integrity in the ever-fickle world of content creation.
- [01:32:18] Parting thoughts.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. Wow, that was quite the ejaculation. Sorry for the volume, folks. |
| 0:05.2 | Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferriss show. My guest today is Ben Patrick. Ben Patrick is better known as Knee Over Toes Guy. |
| 0:13.5 | And you can find him on Instagram and everywhere else as Knees Over Toes Guy. He is the founder of Athletic Truth Group, ATG, an online and brick and mortar |
| 0:22.3 | training system rooted in rehabilitative strength and joint health. After years of debilitating knee |
| 0:28.5 | and shin pain, including multiple surgeries, he rebuilt his body from the ground up and his |
| 0:33.4 | performance going from sub 20 inch vertical to a documented 42 inch leap. He is the author of |
| 0:39.1 | knee ability zero and other books on fitness and recovery. He's become a phenomenon online. |
| 0:45.4 | And I should note, there is a companion video for this episode where Ben and I walk through |
| 0:51.1 | all of the exercises we discuss together. |
| 0:58.2 | So if you want to see me with beginner's eyes going through this, asking questions with him, then you can check it out. |
| 1:01.2 | And you can find that on YouTube.com slash Tim Ferriss, T-I-M-F-E-R-I-S-S. |
| 1:07.3 | You can also find a video pinned on Ben's Instagram, that's knees over toes guy, |
| 1:14.6 | and that runs through a more comprehensive version of what we did in person. But if you want |
| 1:20.7 | the minimum effective dose, go to the YouTube.com slash Tim Ferriss, and you'll see what we did, |
| 1:27.0 | especially making some adjustments |
| 1:29.1 | for my current back pain. And if you want to see the more comprehensive stuff, you can check out |
| 1:33.4 | his Instagram. We also get into a lot more than just exercise. Ben asked me some questions |
| 1:40.1 | about how to navigate different decisions and integrity and so on in podcasting, business, |
| 1:46.0 | et cetera. And we actually spent a good amount of time on that towards the end of this |
| 1:50.2 | conversation, if that's of interest. And that is it. Without further ado, please enjoy a |
| 1:54.9 | wide-ranging conversation with Ben Patrick. And don't forget about the companion videos at |
| 1:59.2 | YouTube.com slash Tim Ferriss, |
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