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SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders

835: $3m+ in Revenue, How to make a SaaS and Professional Service Model Work Together

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders

Nathan Latka

Ceo, Entrepreneurs, Founders, Software, Business, Entrepreneurship, Saas, Startups

4.6683 Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2017

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

Scott East. He founded his company MSIGHTS in 2004 to help marketers make better decisions with better data and reporting. His experience includes global ads and digital agencies of Fortune 20 telecom and AOL prior to founding MSIGHTS. He understands how to engage marketers as he has 20+ years in this area. His new book, The Cuttlefish Marketer: The Five Essential Traits of a Modern Marketer, focuses on helping marketers transform themselves into modern marketing leaders.

Famous Five:

  • Favorite Book? – E-Myth
  • What CEO do you follow? – Jason Fried
  • Favorite online tool? — LinkedIn Sales Navigator
  • How many hours of sleep do you get?— 7
  • If you could let your 20-year old self, know one thing, what would it be? – Scott wished he had focus more on “pull goals”, not “push goals”

 

Time Stamped Show Notes:

  • 01:54 – Nathan introduces Scott to the show
  • 02:38 – Scott wrote a book because it was on his bucket list
    • 03:00 – Scott’s publisher is Advantage Media
    • 03:46 – The book is now available on Amazon and Apple
    • 04:06 – It has sold around a couple of hundreds of copies
    • 04:20 – Scott worked on his book for 10 solid months
  • 05:05 – MSIGHTS provides data management and performance reporting services for large marketing departments
  • 05:21 – MSIGHTS’ primary model is a SaaS model and they charge based on the data they integrate
  • 05:38 – “We giveaway licenses for free in our platform”
  • 05:58 – Scott wants as many enterprise companies as possible to use their reporting for decision making
  • 06:18 – MSIGHTS charges based on the volume that they’re integrating onto the system (in bulk)
  • 07:00 – MSIGHTS’ professional service is a recurring service
  • 07:40 – Scott shares why the SaaS model is different from a professional service, even if both services are recurring
  • 08:24 – ACV is $250K per client
  • 08:47 – MSIGHTS has 35 people
  • 09:20 – Scott shares how the data they receive needs to be analyzed
    • 10:15 – MSIGHTS integrated the data and added the translation key, but it took the founders more than an hour to decide if they would take it
  • 11:03 – Scott self-funded the company
  • 11:33 – MSIGHTS was officially launched in 2003
  • 12:00 – First year revenue is around $150K
  • 12:10 – 2013 revenue
  • 12:31 – 2016 revenue was $3.21M
  • 13:04 – Churn is less than 5% annually
  • 13:30 – Some of their clients have been with MSIGHTS for five years plus
  • 13:50 – MSIGHTS is still bootstrapped
  • 14:15 – Blended gross margins is a low 85%, platform side is 80% plus and 70% on professional service
  • 15:05 – Last month total revenue is around $264K
  • 15:30 – CAC
  • 15:54 – Payback period is around a month
  • 17:53 – The Famous Five

 

3 Key Points:

  1. If you want something and it’s within your reach, GO for it!
  2. Having a great product could mean you’re bootstrapped for years, even a decade.
  3. Professional services can be a recurring service.

 

Resources Mentioned:

  • Simplero – The easiest way to launch your own membership course like the big influencers do but at 1/10th the cost.
  • The Top Inbox – The site Nathan uses to schedule emails to be sent later, set reminders in inbox, track opens, and follow-up with email sequences
  • GetLatka - Database of all B2B SaaS companies who have been on my show including their revenue, CAC, churn, ARPU and more
  • Klipfolio – Track your business performance across all departments for FREE
  • Hotjar – Nathan uses Hotjar to track what you’re doing on this site. He gets a video of each user visit like where they clicked and scrolled to make the site a better experience
  • Acuity Scheduling – Nathan uses Acuity to schedule his podcast interviews and appointments
  • Host Gator– The site Nathan uses to buy his domain names and hosting for the cheapest price possible
  • Audible– Nathan uses Audible when he’s driving from Austin to San Antonio (1.5-hour drive) to listen to audio books
  • Show Notes provided by Mallard Creatives

Transcript

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0:00.0

Scott East founded his company, M-Sites back in 2003, really doing consulting, then added kind of a

0:05.5

platform plus professional services bent to it in 2004 when they started to obviously increase

0:10.6

revenue at that point to about $150,000. 2016 did about $3.21 million. Last month, it did about

0:16.3

$264,000 on track to do $4.1 million here in 2017. Less than 5% annual churn serving about 20 clients.

0:24.2

So definitely high ACVs and low volume.

0:27.1

The ACV value there is about 250 grand, spending only about 10% of that to acquire the customer.

0:31.3

So healthy unit economics with their team of 35.

0:34.4

Again, as they help folks understand and better organize their data so that marketing

0:38.4

data truly becomes insights. This is the top, where I interview entrepreneurs who are number one

0:45.1

or number two in their industry in terms of revenue or customer base. You'll learn how much

0:50.9

revenue they're making, what their marketing funnel looks like, and how many customers they have.

0:56.8

I'm now at $20,000 per talk.

0:59.0

Five and six million.

1:00.0

He is hell-bent on global domination.

1:01.9

We just broke our 100,000 unit sold mark.

1:04.6

And I'm your host, Nathan Latka.

1:08.0

Many of you listening right now don't have time to listen to every B-to-B SaaS CEO that I've

1:12.4

interviewed. If you want to get access to the database I've created with year-over-year growth rates,

1:16.8

customer accounts, margins, and many, many other data metrics and data points, you can go to g-et-l-a-tka.com.

1:24.1

Here's the thing, though, this database, I keep it to myself. It's so freaking valuable. And to preserve the

1:30.5

quality of the data and make sure that the people that have access to it have a true advantage,

1:34.5

I'm only letting 10 companies on each month. So we're full this month, but you can go to getlatka.com

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