Laura, I know you spoke with another student who was recently released from detention,

Mosin Madawi.

What did he have to say?

That's right.

Last week, Madawi was released from prison in Vermont after a federal judge ruled that

the government continuing to hold him presented a great harm to his person who has not

been charged with a crime. So like Ozturk, he was not

charged. Now, Madawi is a green card holder, and he was arrested by agents at his naturalization

interview in April. Now, the Trump administration maintains that his role in leading protests on

Columbia University against the war in Gaza posed again a foreign policy

threat to the United States. Now, Madawi is still facing the threat of deportation. He is allowed

to travel to Colombia for his graduation later this month. And he's also allowed to travel for

meetings with his attorneys. But I spoke to Madawi, I spoke to Mosin Madawi last night about his experience.

Mosen, you were detained for more than two weeks. Can you tell me about your experience in detention

in a place where you lived for years? My experience actually has conflicting feelings about it.

The first one is being grateful for being in Vermont among my community and close to legal support.

I'm going through the due process here and through the justice system.

And the other one is feeling the soreness of this injustice to be basically

punished for practicing free speech. You said that you thought that your citizenship interview

last month was a, quote, trap. Why did you still go? I was torn apart between feeling excited for this interview that I waited for for more than a year

and being very cautious about the possibility that this interview might lead to my detention.

Part of me felt that there might be people in this system

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