All right, so I'll turn over to you, intro, intro Paul.

Sure.

So this is Paul English.

Paul is five-time.

We got to give it up.

Give it up for Paul.

Give it up.

Give it up.

Paul is a friend and a five-time entrepreneur.

He started some small companies like kayak. Lola, I'll let him tell you more,

but we're lucky to have him on board. And one of the things that I circulated recently that you

mentioned was this post from, I think, was it 2002? Yeah, 2002 that Paul wrote on hiring. That was

something that we looked at as a model many times, performable HubSpot, many companies, and so we're honored to have him here. It must be pretty good because he doesn't remember anything. So for him to be like, yeah, that was an article from 2002. This must be an important moment. Yes, yeah, yeah. Well, thanks for coming. Yeah, great to be here. So, all right, so actually, you, right when we set this up, you tweeted, you tweet out, this article on hiring from my friend Paul English is still one of the best that I've read. So there's so many things that we could talk about with you, but I think, you know, we'll go deep on hiring. First, what made you, like, why write this, you're an engineer by trade, right?

Like, why sit down and write this manifesto on hiring and people?

I think, yeah, so I'm a programmer.

And earlier in my career, when I first started managing, which I resisted for years,

but then once I started managing, part of managing is hiring.

And I'm obsessed with hiring. I think about it every day.

Seven days a week. Am I meet people? I'm trying to think, like, am I going to hire this person,

or do they know something I'm going to hire? And someone once asked me why I'm so obsessed.

And I think I grew up in a family of nine, so my parents had seven kids.

And growing up in a large family, there's a lot of dysfunction that goes on.

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