Justin Sledge, welcome back to the show.

Thank you, Alex. It's a real pleasure to be back after our conversation on Yawe.

I am so excited to have you back.

It's one of my favorite episodes that I've ever produced at the podcast our last episode.

I hope people have already seen it.

We were just talking off air about some of the reactions to it and why this topic of

Yawe is so interesting. And it's funny because if I'd have called the episode like the history of God or the history of the Old Testament God or something like this

I don't think it quite has that same aura as

Yawe. There's something about using that title. There's something about

spelling it in that way and showing the sort of old artistic depiction of the

God that really just captures people's interest.

Yeah, I think that there's something interesting about the fact that God, the least the God that's become sort of the God of the big Abrahamic religions and

some other religions as well, that that God is a person, not an abstract entity.

It's not the philosopher's God.

It really is a person.

And like all people, that person has a history and there's something about that the

the reality that God has a history that yawe has a history that I think again we talked about this off air, that there's something about that that does I think so much more heavy lifting in terms of getting people to think about theological questions philosophically or religiously, much more so than any

philosophical argument ever had with a believer.

Those arguments just go right off them like water off a duck. They can look at the

problem of evil. Epicurus' famous contradiction and go, I don't really care about this. I still

believe in God. And you can just, you could do the straight formalization of the argument and show them like this is a contradiction and you have to give up something to relieve the contradiction and they go, no, no, I don't, I'm done, I'm fine.

And but if you do this Yawaway thing and say look we have good reason to believe that this

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