alternate intro songs, it's probably seen better than days.

I would not know that.

Okay. It's very saint, by the way. I hope, I mean, my audio with you is good, but I could barely hear that music. Oh, no, you know, you won't. I mean, that's the old story. I was just, you know, with this wonderful high-tech operation I got, I was holding headphones up to the bone phone here, so, no, that's Okay, it's out there. And I did notice it's, it's, it's starting to skip a little bit, and it's done its service, and it's almost

reached the end of the road here. Now, with us today, back, I guess, I don't know, maybe four or five

times, it's Dr. Ellen Lactor, and she's going to speak to us about something that's not really

all that pleasant, but it's got to be dealt with. People have to know what is going on out there.

We can understand why most people would shield themselves from wanting to know about it,

but that doesn't mean they shouldn't. Dr. Ellen Lactor, thank you so much for coming back. Thanks, I'm happy to be here. I can't understand why, but we're glad you're here. I want to get the word out. Well, and you know, I'm really glad you did this. It was something on my mind, and until you sent the email to me earlier today, I was happy to see that you've set up a website unto yourself.

It is triple-wend ritual abuse.org.

And not that the other site wasn't good, but it was very labyrinthine.

But this one, you know, it's you.

You got everything out there, and the way it's compartmentalized, you get right down to it.

When did you put that up, by the way? A few months ago.

All right, and I'm sure you felt the need for it, but anything in particular that made you move to segment yourself so that it was just what you do, you know, unto yourself.

Well, the other one was mostly my own stuff too.

This one is just more easily accessible because the web address is something you can

remember.

Yeah, the other one was exceptionally long and that is a problem, yeah.

Right.

But all the information on that website was for the most part yours.

I thought you shared it with perhaps some other individuals, but I'm not right about that. No, no, that was my website. I've always posted

Diana Napolis's ritual abuse archive, and she updated it. So I think that's actually why

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