This is CBS, I on the World. I'm John Batchel.

Cybercrime, online, usually associated with someone trying to take your money away from you

or gain access to your accounts.

Cybercrime has other approaches, however.

And when it comes to the state level,

I learned from Ivana Stradner and her colleague, John Yu, the cyber crime in hand is at the United Nations as a treaty that is submitted to all the nations to respond to. It's entitled

destructive malware and

forgetting, destructive malware targeting organizations in Ukraine, for example. That would be an

example of cyber crime, but it's bigger than that. So it's not only stealing from you or targeting a state that's under attack,

but a much wider definition, if I understand correctly.

Ivana, a very good evening to you. Cybercrime, I gave the simple version. You think of somebody

stealing or cyber crime, a bad or targeting a nation state that's

under duress because it's been attacked or is in some fashion out of line with an aggressive

state. But you're talking about cybercrime that lacks a clear definition. What is the UN's

opinion of cybercrime? What is the range that they're

proposing in their treaty? Good evening to you. Good evening. As a matter of fact, according to

FBI, cybercrime costs victims globally more than $16 billion. And Russian and Chinese attacks and American critical infrastructures are becoming commonplace.

So why not to have a UN cybercrime treaty that would prevent such things, right?

Who wouldn't like that?

Except for the fact that this particular treaty... and such things, right? Who wouldn't like that?

Except for the fact that this particular treaty that was just adopted in the United Nations has numerous problems because this treaty has very little to do with cyber crime globally.

This treaty is very problematic because it was written by Russia and supported by China.

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