when it comes to black folks especially, this idea of gaslighting, that what we see is somehow crazy,

that people care more about that broken window than the broken bodies, that the violence,

that the state inflicts every single day, the actual violence, or the abstract violence of deprivation

and starvation, and all of those things that choke and to use your word humiliates families.

The only way we can get to their root of that is to stop pretending that America is other than

what it actually is.

Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

What's up with, pod listeners? It's me, your host, Chris Hayes. I just said that. I'm sorry.

My head is really spinning. It's been just a crazy, in some ways, like what an inspiring,

and also worrisome and tense and beautiful and upsetting two weeks it's been in the life of the

nation. It's been two weeks of protests in the streets, in all 50 states, civil unrest.

There's been some arson, there's been some looting, there has been some violence as well.

There's been a lot of violence by police officers against protesters. There's been a lot of

incitement by the president of the United States. There are armed men on the streets of Washington,

D.C. without identifying badges. It feels like a dystopia. It feels like a crack in the wall.

I think it's both a terrifying and hopeful time. I've been covering police, policing,

police brutality, police accountability, criminal justice, race and criminal justice for a while.

In 2014, I was in Ferguson and was in Baltimore the next year in 2015 for Freddie Gray. I wrote a

book called The Colleen in a Nation, which is about all this. One of the people who's reporting on

this, I've been very, very lucky to collaborate on as a colleague is a tremendously. MSNBC's

Tremainly. It remains it's just an incredible guy. Above and beyond his incredible work, he's a

phenomenal journalist, but he's just also a remarkable person. He is tough-minded and fair and

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