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8/8: Three years later, the Pandemic breaks #PRC healthcare, confidence and recovery: 8/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century, by Josh Rogin.

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🗓️ 15 January 2023

⏱️ 11 minutes

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8/8: Three years later, the Pandemic breaks #PRC healthcare, confidence and recovery: 8/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century, by Josh Rogin.

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The explosive, behind-the-scenes story of Donald Trump’s high-stakes confrontation with Beijing, from an award-winning Washington Post columnist and peerless observer of the U.S.–China relationship

There was no calm before the storm. Donald Trump’s surprise electoral victory shattered the fragile understanding between Washington and Beijing, putting the most important relationship of the twenty-first century in the hands of a novice who had bitterly attacked China from the campaign trail. Almost as soon as he entered office, Trump brought to a boil the long-simmering rivalry between the two countries, while also striking up a “friendship” with Chinese president Xi Jinping — whose manipulations of his American counterpart would undermine the White House’s already disjointed response to the historic challenge of a rising China. All the while, Trump’s own officials fought to steer U.S. policy from within.

By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office

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John Bashar, Dash Rogan of the Washington Post, his new book is Chaos Under Heaven, Trump

0:39.6

She and the Battle for the 21st Century. It is the spring of 2020 just yesterday. And the

0:47.1

expectation is that the virus can be dealt with in some fashion in time. A vaccine, careful,

0:55.0

safety mechanisms, a marshalling of the population of the United States or the population of Europe

1:00.6

of all continents to prevent the spread of the virus enough so that health facilities

1:05.8

can care for those who are very ill. The vulnerable are over 60 or over 50 at the pre-existing

1:11.2

conditions. We know all this. But still, it is necessary to name the thing correctly

1:16.4

as Confucius tells us, where did the virus come from? How did it suddenly show itself

1:22.5

in Wuhan? One theory, advanced by the Chinese, is that it was natural out of jumping from

1:30.5

one species to another, perhaps bats to Pangolin and then to mankind, who would consume the

1:36.6

Pangolin. Another theory, advanced by the Chinese soon after the revelations of the

1:43.5

catastrophe in Wuhan, was that it was spread by the United States military. It was fantastic

1:49.4

at the time and it was puzzling, but it was a theory. Another approach was a lab accident.

1:55.2

Josh spends a deal of time pulling together what we know so far about the lab accident

2:01.0

thinking. It happens. And the lab, the Wuhan WIV, the Wuhan lab, was identified as early

2:10.0

as 2017 of having security problems or not being well taken care of. It had two level,

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