783: #783 - Trinitarianism Versus Unitarianism? A Conversation with Chris Date and Sam Adams

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🗓️ 16 March 2020

⏱️ 129 minutes

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Summary

In this different sort of podcast, Preston moderates a discussion between Chris Date (Trinitarian) and Sam Adams (Unitarian) about whether God is three in one or just one. Sam argues that there’s one God and Jesus and the Spirit are not that God, while Chris Date believes that God is Trinity--three persons of one divine essence. And both argue from the text of Scripture for their view.

Sam Adams is a born and raised Biblical Unitarian but has attended trinitarian evangelical churches for the last 12 years. He has a bachelors degree from Cornell University and a masters degree from Harvard University both in biostatistics. He works in data science and artificial intelligence in the healthcare industry. He has published many peer reviewed articles on subjects completely unrelated to theology. He is a highly-engaged and self-educated lay person on the topics of Unitarianism, Trinitarianism, church history, and related theological subjects. While he has never been called a world expert in anything, he enjoys having meaningful discussions on the topic of Christology and helping bridge together Christians across what seems like an unbridgeable gulf. You can see more of his conversation on this topic on his youtube channel "transfigured" which through honest dialogue seeks to see Christ for who he truly is.

Chris Date is a well-known evangelical Christian author, editor, blogger, podcaster, debater, and speaker. Representing a global movement known as Rethinking Hell, he specializes in the areas of Hell and Conditional Immortality. As an expert on these topics, Chris has been interviewed in such secular media outlets as the New York Times, National Geographic, and NPR. He has debated no less than the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, Dr. Albert Mohler, and been interviewed for the popular One Minute Apologist video series. He helped to frame the Statement on Evangelical Conditionalism, and he is passionate about making the case for conditionalism while fostering unity among evangelical Christians on this controversial yet very important topic.

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0:00.0	Hello friends and welcome to another episode of Theology and the Ra. This is a very long episode. I did something different that I don't think I've done before. I wanted to host a quasi debate slash dialogue, more of a dialogue than a debate, but it kind of has
0:19.2	some debaty like elements to it. I am hosting in this podcast a conversation between my friend
0:27.3	Chris Date and another friend of a friend Sam Adams and his name yes it makes me kind of thirsty but anyway
0:36.8	this dialogue is about Unitarianism, well sorry, biblical Unitarianism even though Chris doesn't love that phrase and
0:49.6	Trinitarianism is God one and one person or is God one and three persons within that one
1:00.8	essence or however you know your favorite Trinitarian statement.
1:05.2	I forgot actually how I got turned on to this conversation.
1:09.6	It was like some conversations I was having with some friends and I know Chris Date and I know
1:14.8	Chris Date has done some work in defending the Trinity and is always incredibly sharp
1:20.7	and has great arguments and Sam Adams is a friend of a friend he's an as you'll see
1:25.2	he's a incredibly smart dude very humble very knowledgeable of scripture and I just
1:32.0	thought this would be a good conversation to have.
1:33.5	So please welcome to the show back again, Chris Tate and for the first time Sam Adams. Okay, I am here with Chris Date and Sam Adams, who I think has the absolute best name.
2:05.0	Honestly, I'm a little disappointed that it's not like the Sam Adams,
2:10.0	but he's been dead for a few hundred years.
2:12.0	But thank you Sam for being on the show
2:13.5	thank you for Chris for being on theology and a rod to have this important
2:18.6	conversation I mean we're talking about some really fundamental aspects of, let's just say historic Christianity.
2:25.8	So, Chris, why don't you just start by giving us a few words about who you are and we'll toss it over to Sam and then we'll jump into the conversation.
2:35.0	Sure it's difficult for me to do just about anything in two or three minutes but I'll do my best.
2:40.0	I am a husband and father of four boys ranging in age from six to 18.
2:47.0	My wife and I have been married for almost 20 years.
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