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The Agile Brand with Greg Kihlström®: Expert Mode Marketing Technology, AI, & CX

#776: Black Friday Special: Zappi CMO Nataly Kelly on the high-stakes world of holiday advertising

The Agile Brand with Greg Kihlström®: Expert Mode Marketing Technology, AI, & CX

The Agile Brand

Business, Marketing

52.7K Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

In a world drowning in data, is the 'big creative idea' for a holiday campaign an endangered species, or is it more critical than ever? Agility requires not just moving fast, but moving with confidence. It's the ability to validate creative instincts with real-world data, ensuring that your biggest bets are also your smartest ones. Today, we're going to talk about the high-stakes world of holiday advertising and the delicate balance between creative magic and data-driven methodology. We’re going to talk about one such campaign for John Lewis, a popular British Department store whose holiday ads are a cultural event in the UK, where the stakes can be high. And they aren’t alone. The holiday season is the equivalent of the Super Bowl for many brands, where a single campaign can define the entire year. Yet, for every heartwarming success story, there are countless others that miss the mark. So how do brands de-risk their biggest creative investments and ensure their message will actually resonate with consumers? About Nataly Kelly Nataly Kelly is Chief Marketing Officer at Zappi, based in Boston, MA. Previously she served at HubSpot as Vice President of Marketing, Vice President of International Operations and Strategy, and Vice President of Localization. Nataly Kelly on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalykelly/ Resources Zappi: https://www.zappi.io/ The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://www.teksystems.com/versionnextnow Catch the future of e-commerce at eTail Palm Springs, Feb 23-26 in Palm Springs, CA. Go here for more details: https://etailwest.wbresearch.com/ Watch the John Lewis "Where Love Lives" Ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bRlnyQeDk Zappi Report: Lessons in Advertising: Christmas 2025: https://email.zappistore.com/hubfs/Zappi%20Christmas%20Advertising%202025.pdf Zappi Report: The Connected Insights Imperative: https://www.zappi.io/web/connected-insights-imperative-report/ Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstrom Don't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://www.theagilebrand.show Check out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company

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0:00.0

The Agile brand.

0:03.0

Welcome to Season 7 of the Agile brand, where we discuss the trends and topics marketing leaders need to know.

0:15.0

Stay curious, stay agile, and join the top enterprise brands and MARTEC platforms as we explore marketing technology, AI, e-commerce, and join the top enterprise brands and Martec platforms as we explore marketing technology,

0:23.1

AI, e-commerce, and whatever's next for the Omnichannel customer experience.

0:27.8

Together we'll discover what it takes to create an agile brand, built for today and tomorrow,

0:32.1

and built for customers, employees, and continued business growth.

0:36.9

I'm your host, Greg Kilstrom, advising Fortune 1,000 brands on Martec, employees, and continued business growth. I'm your host, Greg Kilstrom, advising Fortune 1000 brands on Martec, AI, and marketing operations.

0:43.3

The Agile Brand Podcast is brought to you by Tech Systems, an industry leader in full-stack technology services,

0:49.3

talent services, and real-world application. For more information, go to teK systems.com.

0:56.1

To make sure you always get the latest episodes, please hit subscribe on the app you listen to

1:00.1

podcasts on and leave us a rating so others can find us as well. And now on to the show.

1:07.7

In a world drowning in data is the big creative idea for holiday campaigns and endangered species, or is it more critical than ever?

1:16.4

Agility requires not just moving fast, but moving with confidence.

1:20.0

It's the ability to validate creative instincts with real-world data, ensuring that your biggest bets are also your smartest ones.

1:27.3

Today we're going to talk about the high-stakes world of holiday advertising and the

1:31.1

delicate balance between creative magic and data-driven methodology.

1:35.3

We're going to talk about one such campaign for John Lewis, a popular British department

1:39.2

store whose holiday ads are a cultural event in the UK where the stakes can be high.

1:45.3

And they aren't alone.

1:49.7

The holiday season is the equivalent of the Super Bowl for many brands, where a single campaign can define the entire year. Yet for every heartwarming success story, there are countless

1:55.0

others that miss the mark. So how do brands de-risk their biggest creative investments and

1:59.8

ensure their message will actually resonate with consumers? Tell me to discuss this topic. I'd like to welcome Natalie Kelly, CMO at Zappi. Natalie, welcome back to the show. Thank you, Greg. I'm very happy to be here. Yeah. Great talking with you last time. I'm always glad to have you back here. Before we dive in, though, for those that didn't catch you last time you were on the show, why don't you give a little background on yourself and your role at Zappi?

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